Video from Judicial Watch FOIA request
Response to snopes.com pentagon "rumor"
Snopes "urban legend" posting ...
discussion board ...
Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on September 11 was
caused by something other than a hijacked Boeing 757's being
crashed into its side.
Snopes uses the "Hunt
the Boeing site", while I have
respect for this site, it was the first one on
the web, and did make some mistakes. It also did not have all the
photos at hand when the site came
Despite the appearances of exterior photographs,
the Boeing 757-200 did not "only damage the outside of the
Pentagon." It caused damage to all five rings
(not just the outermost one) after penetrating a reinforced,
24-inch-thick outer wall. As 60 Minutes
II reported in their "Miracle of the Pentagon" episode
on 28 November2001, the section of the Pentagon into which the
hijacked airliner was flown had just been reinforced during a
Unfortunately, this user wasn't able
to download the link Snopes provided. Maybe they should update
As far as the hole goes (which I believe they are
several modifications to the building as part of that renovation
that we think helped save people's lives," says Lee Evey, who runs
a billion-dollar project to renovate the Pentagon. They've been
working on it since 1993. The first section was five days from
being finished when the terrorists hit it with the plane.
The renovation project built strength into the 60-year-old
limestone exterior with a web of steel beams and columns.
"You have these steel tubes and, again, they go from the first
floor and go all the way to the fifth floor," says Evey. "We have
everything bolted together in a strong steel matrix. It supports
and encases the windows and provides tremendous additional strength
to the wall."
When the plane hit at 350 miles an hour, the limestone layer
shattered. But inside, those shards of stone were caught by a
shield of cloth that lines the entire section of the building.
It is a special cloth that helps prevent
masonry from fragmenting and turning into shrapnel. The cloth is
also used to make bullet-resistant vests.
All of this, especially the steel, held up the third, fourth and
fifth floors. They stayed up for 35 minutes. You can see them
through the smoke, suspended over the hole gouged by the jet. Only
after the evacuation did the heat melt the new steel
away. Evey says that without the reconstruction, the
floors might have collapsed immediately.
Ah ! That explains it, a piece of cloth stopped an airliner
going 450mph ! OK, sure....
"heat melt the new steel
"You have these steel tubes and, again,
they go from the first floor and go all the way to the fifth
floor," says Evey. "We have everything bolted together in a strong
"All of this, especially the steel, held up the third, fourth and
Well, Lee, nothing looks bolted together
As far as the heat goes, there is a chair with an open book on it,
the pages are not even singed !
Exterior photographs are misleading because they
show only the intact roof structures of the outer rings and don't
reveal that the plane penetrated all the way to the ground floor of
the third ring. As a U.S. Army
press release noted back on 26 September 2001,
one engine of the aircraft punched a 12-foot hole through the wall
of the second ring:
pentagon exit hole
You mean this engine?
debris inside the Pentagon
DoD News Briefing on Pentagon
September 15, 2001
Mitchell: It's more to the right
of where we were at. This is the -- this is in a renovated section
on the opposite side, if you were facing the opposite side.
This is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect
that this was where a part of the aircraft came through this
hole, although I didn't see any evidence of the aircraft down
Then you didnt click my link,
I see the evidence ?
Does this closeup look like something
pushed through from the inside?
The words "punch out" kinda give it away....
Q: Which area is that?
Mitchell: This is right inside the E Ring.
Q: Did you see any evidence of the aircraft anywhere?
Mitchell: Yes, I did. You could see just small pieces of it.
Q: Well, how far in? Again, we're trying to figure how it came into
Q: Can we finish the video first and then we'll go back?
Mitchell: You can see someone from the Montgomery County unit
This pile is all Pentagon metal. None of that is aircraft
whatsoever. As you can see, they've punched a hole in
here. This was punched by the rescue workers to
clean it out. You can see this is the -- some of the
unrenovated areas where the windows have blown out. That's soldiers
from the Third U.S. Infantry, the Honor Guard, are in there. And
this is the conditions they have to work in. There's the Tyvek
suits, the respirators, goggles, and helmets, and they also have
boots on them as well.
Q: Where is that exactly? Between which rings?
Mitchell: Between the -- I believe it's the E and D Rings.
And that's the end of the tape.
So which is it? Did they "punch the hole
out? Or did something push through?
I see somthing that pushed through, but it wsnt the nose of
the craft. Whatever it was , it was appoximately 8ft
Recall that when the first airliner was flown into
a World Trade Center tower on September 11- before it was known
that the "accident" was really part of a deliberate terrorist
attack - newscasters were speculating that a small plane had
accidentally flown into the side of the tower, because the visible
exterior damage didn't seem as extensive as what people thought a
large airliner would cause. Even though the two airplanes that hit
the World Trade Center towers were travelling faster at the time of
impact than the Pentagon plane was (400 MPH vs. 350 MPH), hit
aluminum-and-glass buildings rather than reinforced concrete walls,
and didn't dissipate much of their energy striking the ground first
(as the Pentagon plane did), they still
all the way through the WTC towers
penetrated the towers?
Gimme a break.
The plane banked sharply and came in so low that it clipped light
poles. It slammed into the side of the Pentagon at an estimated 350
miles per hour after first hitting the
helipad. The plane penetrated the
outer three rings of the building.
Well, i have a hard time understanding how a
person can see through 3 rings of the Pentagon?
The original hole was 18ft accross before the wall
Immediately after Flight 77 smashed into the Pentagon, the impact
was obscured by a huge fireball, explosions, fire, smoke, and water
from firefighting efforts. Within a half hour, the upper stories of
the building collapsed, thereby permanently obscuring the impact
site. It simply wasn't possible for photographs to capture a
clear view of the impact site during that brief interval between
the crash and the collapse.
(oh, that explains how the guy saw through all 3 rings
AND, Thats why SNOPES doesnt bother to post THIS
click here for large
By the way, these cars would have been in the way
of the left wing.
The "plane" would have had to be on an angle to clear the
You'll recall from the discussions above that the
hijacked airliner did not "only hit the ground floor of the
Pentagon's first ring" - it struck the Pentagon between the first
and second floors and blasted all the way through to the third
ring. Because the plane disappeared into the building's interior
after penetrating the outer ring, it wasn't visible in photographs
taken from outside the Pentagon. Moreover, since the airliner was
full of jet fuel and was flown into thick, reinforced concrete
walls at high speed, exploding in a fireball, any pieces of
wreckage large enough to be identifiable in after-the-fact
photographs taken from a few hundred feet away burned up in the
intense fire that followed the crash (just as the planes flown into
the World Trade Center towers burned up, and the intensity of their
jet-fuel fires caused both towers to collapse).
Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt
steel. If it did, it would melt the engine. do a google search on
has a good analysis.
Small pieces of airplane debris were plainly visible on the
Pentagon lawn in other photographs, however, such as the one
Several people have done analysis on this
piece shown on this page. It is too small to have come from a
"First of all, the question
concerning the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft
visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm
talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no
fuselage sections and that sort of thing." "You know,
I'd rather not comment on that.
The claim that the "Defence Secretary" ordered the lawn to be
sanded over is false
I agree, thats the first thing Snopes got right.
Snopes is using the FIRST web site that didn't go with the official
BUT, mentioning that, there would have been thousnads of gallons of
and by EPA law, this should have been cleaned. It was not.
There were no "pools" of fuel, and if it had all ignited, it would
have burned for days.
Look again at the book that was in pristine
As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the
outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the
initial impact, then were pushed inward
towards the fuselage and carried into the building's
interior; the inner portions of the wings probably
penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane.
Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the
explosion or the subsequent fire. Nonetheless, damage to
the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in
photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on
both sides of the impact site)
The rest of the wings were destroyed in the fire
Look again at the photo with the cars, there are TREE
OK, the branches survived, but you cant find a 6 inch part of wing
cause it burned???
Snopes admitted that the plane hit the second
floor, so the tail would have hit at least the
Pentagon 911 enhanced
The "wing root" is the strongest part of the
plane, if this is where the plane hit, as we are told,
the wing roots would have hit the edges of this hole. The left side
of the hole shows windows that aren't broken.
There is also NO damage on top of the hole where the tail would
Remember, Snopes says that the wings "folded up"
and the whole airliner entered this 18ft hole
So a 757 totally dissappeared inside the
and this is the photo Snopes gives to prove
This shows the size of the plane against the
The cars would have been in the way of the left
Snopes did say that the plane hit the ground first right
I sure don't see any gouge marks, the engine and
fuselage hang LOWER than the rest of the plane.
(nice lawn, bet they use fertilizer, all the BULL coming from of
this admin would do nicely)
click here for LARGE version
of above photo
here for large version
Hunt for a 100 ton Boeing !
Hunt for a food tray, fork, luggage, a shoe string....????
This is before the wall collapsed, so no one took anything from the
The right wing HAD to clear the
generator (below pic) , BUT, the damage is at the ground
floor ? (above pic)
The plane did NOT nose dive into the pentagon, it hit sevral lamp
poles hundereds of feet away, it came in LEVEL.
How did the damage happen only on the BOTTOM floor?
Snopes doesnt bother mentioning these tid
Update: A video presentation unleashed on the Internet
in August 2004 rehashes the same conspiracy claims. It can be found
at a number of locations, including:
http://www.911review.org: Home Page,
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